"Official" Frame Data Thread

[Sacharja]

Algol

i13: K/FC 2A
i14: A/2A
i15: 3K/6K/FC 2K/2K/6B/WS K/FC 3B
i16: B
i17: 2B/FC 2B/K6/66A/A+G_B+G
i18: 1K/6A/2B+K/WS A/66B/22K
i19: 4K/3B/A+B/aB/WS B
i20: 4B/623A
i21: 1B/4A/6A+B/8A+B/3A+B/FC 2A+B/11B/44B/11K
i22: 3A/66A+B
i23: 1A
i24: 4A+B/33B/22A+B
i25: 44A/66K/44K
i26: 623B
i28: 8B+K/2A+K/22A
i29: 22B/66B+K
i30: 11A

Amy

i11: 6B
i13: K/FC 2A
i14: 2A/3K/WS B
i15: B/2K/6A/3A/FC 2K
i16: A/2B/1K/FC 2B/66B
i17: 1A/1B/4B/4K/WS K/A+G_B+G
i18: B/6A+B/2B+K/FC 3B/22A
i19: 4A/6K/22K
i20: WS A/WS A+B/66K
i21: 33B/66B+K
i22: 6B+K/11A
i23: FC 1B/66A+B
i25: 4B+K
i26: 8A+B
i27: 2A+B
i28: 44A

Asta

i13: 6A
i15: K/2K/FC 2K
i16: 4B
i17: 4K/WS K/66B/A+G_B+G
i18: 3K/FC 3K/66K/33K
i19: 4K/22A
i21: A/6B/2A/4A+B/FC 2A
i22: 3A+B/B+K/2B+K/66A
i23: 6B+K/33A
i24: 2B/1B
i25: 3B
i26: 1K/44A
i28: A+B/8A+B/WS A/22B

Cassandra

i13: A/FC 2A
i14: 2A/6A
i15: 2K/B/FC 2K/236B
i16: 3A/6B/2B/1B/FC 2B/FC 1B/236[ B ]
i17: 4B/3K/4B+K/2B+K/236A/A+G_B+G
i18: 6K/8K/FC 3B/66A/33K
i19: 3B/WS A
i20: 22B/66A+B
i21: 4A/1K/22A/66K
i22: 4K/WS K/A+K/66B
i23: A+B
i24: FC 1B
i25: 8A+K/44A/22K
i26: 1A/WS B/8A+B/44B/44B+K
i27: 33B+K
i28: 33B/22B+K
i29: B+K

Cervy

i13: A/aB/K
i14: 6K
i15: 4B/3K/2K/FC 2K/2A/6A/4K/B2/aK/FC 2A/3A+B/iGDR
i16: WS K
i17: B/2A+B/WS A/66K/A+G_B+G
i18: 6B/A+B/66B
i19: 4A/3B/2B/66A
i20: 1K/FC A+B/bA
i21: 2B+K
i22: WS B
i23: 22K/11K
i24: 1B/44B
i25: 66A+B
i26: bK/8A+B/11A
i27: 3A/11B

Hilde

i12: 6A+K
i13: FC 2A
i14: A/K/2A
i15: 2K/FC 2K
i16: 3K/4B/WS K
i17: 6K/1K/2B/4B+K/A+G_B+G
i18: 8K/WS B/FC 2B/66K/FC C1 B/FC C1 A/FC C2 A/FC C3 A
i19: 3B/33K/WS A+B/FC C2 B/FC C3 B
i20: 4K/6A/3A/2B+K/C1 A/C2 A/C3 A
i21: 6B/C1 B/C2 B/C3 B
i22: 1A/A+B/66A/WS A
i23: 4A/B/66B/44K
i24: 1B/22A
i25: 6A+B/22B/22K
i26: A+K
i27: 2A+K/44B/33B/11B
i28: 44A/11K/66A+B
i29: 4A+B
i31: 2A+B
i32: 6B+K

Ivy

i12: SW 4B/SW 1A
i13: CL K/SW 8B+K
i14: CL A/SW 6B/SW 2A/SW FC 2A/SW A
i15: CL 2A/CL 2K/CL WS K/CL FC 2K/SW B
i16: CL 6K/SW FC 2B/SW 2B/WP 3A/CL WS A+B
i17: CL B/CL 2B/CL 1B/CL 3K/CL FC 2A/CL FC 2B/SW WS B/SW 6A/WP A/WP 6A/WP 2B/WP FC 2B/SW 66K/A+G_B+G
i18: CL 3A/CL 3B/CL 4K/CL WS A/SW 3B/WP 2A/WP FC 2A/WP 3B+K
i19: CL 6A/CL 6B/CL 1K/CL WS B/SW 3A/WP WS A/CL 214B/SW 214K/CL 66A/CL 66K/WP B
i20: CL A+B/WP WS B/SW FC 3B/CL 66B/SW 66A/SW 22B/WP 66B
i21: SW 4B/WP 4A/CL 22A/CL 33B/SW 66B
i22: CL 4B/WP A+B/CL 236B/CL 44K
i23: WP 6B+K/WP 3B/WP 66A
i24: WP 6A+B/WP 4A+B/SW 2A+B/CL 33A/CL 44A/WP 6B
i25: WP 1A/SW 2A+K/WP FC 3B/SW 44A
i26: CL 22K
i27: SW 1B/WP 1A/SW 22A/WP 22B/WP 4A
i28: CL 6A+B/SW 1B+K
i29: WP 22A

Kilik

i13: K/6A/46B/6B8
i14: aB
i15: 2K/1K/FC 2K/WS K/66B
i17: FC 3B/A+G_B+G
i18: 1A/3B/3kB
i19: A/WS A/6A+B
i20: 6B/A+B/A+K/6B2/22B
i21: 4K/4kB/66K
i22: B/WS B/22A
i23: FC 2B/6K/2B+K/1B+K/22K
i24: 2A/6B+K/FC 2A+B
i25: 3A/1B/3A+B/1A+B
i26: 4B/2A+B/B+K/44A/44B
i27: 4A/FC 1B/4A+B/11A
i28: 66A/33A/44K

Lizardman

i13: K/FC 2A
i14: A/2A/4K
i15: 2K/6A/WS B/FC 2K/3K
i16: B/3A/2B/FC 2B/FC 1B/1B/4B/66K
i17: A+G_B+G
i18: WS A/33A
i19: 66A/33A+B
i20: 3B
i21: 44A/33B/44K
i22: 4A
i23: 1K
i24: 22A/66A+B/66B+K
i25: 4B+K/4b+kG/66B/22K
i26: 6K
i27: A+B/33B
i28: 1A/11A

Maxi

i13: K/FC 2A
i14: A/2A/WS A
i15: 1K/6A/WS B/FC 2K/3K
i16: B/2B/1B/FC 2B/A+B
i17: 6B/A+G_B+G
i18: 3B/4B/WS A+B/6A+B
i19: 3A/6K/B+K/66B/66B4/33K
i20: WS K/33A/44A
i21: 2K/66A
i22: 4A/4K/2B+K
i23: 66B+K
i25: 236B/236K/22B/66K
i26: 11B
i27: 3A+K/236A/FC 3A/33B/22K/44K
i29: 22A/11A
i30: 44B

Mina

i13: K/FC 2A
i14: 4B/3bK
i15: 6A/2K/6B+K/FC 2K
i16: 3K/WS K/22A
i17: 1B/33K/A+G_B+G
i18: 3B/9K/WS A
i19: A/6B/66A
i20: B/WS B/8A+B/66B/66K
i21: 2B/1K/A+B/FC 2B/FC 1B/9B+K
i22: 4K/33A
i23: 6K/22B
i24: 6A+B/3A+B/1A+B
i25: 4A/B+K/FC 1K
i26: 4A+B/2B+K/A+K/44A
i27: 3A
i28: 11A/66A+B
i29: 44K

Mitsu

i13: FC2A
i14: K/WS K/2A
i15: A/3A/FC 2K/3K/6K/1K/WS B/44A/66K/22K
i16: B6/2B/FC 3B
i17: B/6A/WS A/FC 1B/11B/A+G_B+G
i18: 1B/4A/3B/2K/6B
i19: 236B/kB/A+B6/66A/66B
i20: bA
i21: 4K
i22: A+B
i23: 22A/33B/22B/11K
i24: 22B+K
i25: 33A
i26: 1A/2A+B
i27: B+K/FC 1A+B
i28: 44B/66A+B

Night

i14: K/6K
i15: 6A/3K/1K/WS K/FC 2K
i16: WS B/aB/66K
i17: A/4K/FC 2A/agA/A+G_B+G
i18: 11K
i19: A+K
i20: bA/FC 3B
i21: 2K/2A+B/33B
i22: 6B/FC 2B
i23: 3A/B/3B/2B/WS A/FC 2A+G_B+G
i25: 2A/22A
i27: 44A/11B
i28: 1A/1B/44K

Raphael

i13: K/6B/FC 2A
i14: 2A/4K/WS K
i15: 2K/6A/3K/FC 2K
i16: B/3B/2B/6K/FC 2B/A
i17: 1B/WS B/33K/A+G_B+G
i18: 8A+B
i19: 4A/A+B/6B+K
i20: 1A/3A/236B/66K/44K
i21: 22B
i22: 4B/WS A/66A/66B
i23: 1K/FC 3B/22K
i24: 22A/8K
i26: 66A+B/8A
i27: 33B
i28: 44A/8B
i29: 2A+B

Rock

i14: 4B
i15: K/2K/6A/FC 2K
i17: 6K/4K/WS K/A+G_B+G
i18: 3K/FC 3K
i19: 1B/6A+B
i20: 3A/3B/22A
i21: A/2A/FC 2A/4A+B/6B/66B
i22: 1K/66A/44A
i23: FC 2B
i24: B/2B
i25: WS A/11B
i26: 6B+K
i28: A+B/8A+B/44B/66K
i29: 2A+K

Setsuka

i12: A/FC 3a:B
i13: K/FC 2A/FC 3aB
i14: 2A/6K/44B+K
i15: 2K/3K/FC 3B/WS K/FC 2K
i16: B/6B/2B/WS A/FC 2B/66B
i17: 4A/1B/4B/WS B/33B/22B/A+G_B+G
i18: 66A
i19: 3B/1K/4K/9K/44A
i20: aB
i21: 3A/bA/44B
i22: 6A/1A/FC 3A+B/2B+K/A+KA
i23: B+K/22K/22A+B/66B+K
i24: 22A/66K/11K
i25: ag:B
i26: agB/A+KB
i28: 2A+B/44K

Siegfried

i13: K
i14: 6K
i15: 6A/1K/3K/66K/FC 2K/WS K/a+kA
i16: B6
i17: 3B/4A/WS A/WS B/FC 2A/agA/A+G_B+G
i18: 4B/A+B/A
i19: 3A/4K/2A
i21: 2K
i22: A+K/66A/FC 2B/FC 2A+G_B+G
i23: 2B/11B
i24: 1B/B
i25: 6B
i27: 1A
i28: 2A+B

Sophitia

i12: A
i13: K/6A/FC 2A
i14: 2A/22K/236B
i15: 2K/B/6K/3K/WS B/FC 2K/66K/236K
i16: 2B/1B/WS A/FC 2B/WS K
i17: 6B/A+G_B+G
i18: 4B/236A
i19: 3A/4A/3A+B/66A/66A+B
i20: 3B/4B+K/44K/4K
i21: 1K/22A
i22: 9K/WS B+K/44B
i24: 66B+K
i25: 44A
i26: 66B/44B+K
i27: 11A/33B
i28: 1A
i29: B+K

Taki

i8: 2bA
i10: A
i13: K/FC 2A/22K
i14: 2A/3K
i15: B/1K/1B/A6/WSK/FC 2K
i16: 6B/3B/2B/FC 2B
i17: A+G_B+G6K/4K/WS A/33A/66K
i18: 2K/WS B/33B
i19: 6A/66A/66B
i20: 44A
i21: 4A/9K/33K
i22: 22B/11K
i23: 3A/K2
i24: 1A
i25: 44B
i26: 4B

Talim

i13: A/K/FC 2A
i14: 2A/1B/WS B
i15: B/3K/2K/FC 2K
i16: 3A/6B/2B/6K/4K/FC 2B/FC 3B/WS K/33A
i17: 3B/WS A/1A+B/66A/A+G_B+G
i18: 4A/2A+B
i19: 6A/4B/1K/A+K/44A
i20: 4A+B/22K/44K
i21: 33B
i22: A+B/236B/22A
i23: 66B
i24: 6A+B/WS A+B/33K
i26: 11B/44B
i27: 11K
i28: 22B

Tira

i12: JL 44K
i13: JL K/JL FC 2A
i14: JL A/GL 6A/JL 6B8
i15: JL 2K/JL FC 2K/GL 3K
i16: JL B/JL 2B/JL 1B/JL 6A/JL 6K/JL FC 2B/JL A+B/GL 2A
i17: JL WS K/JL 66K/A+G_B+G
i18: JL 2A/JL WS B/GL 66B/JL 11K
i19: JL 3A/JL 3B/JL 4B/JL 6B/JL WS A/GL 66A/GL 3kA/GL 66K/JL 66A
i20: JL 44A/JL 22K/GL 22A
i21: JL 3K/JL 1K/JL 4B+K/GL 88B
i22: JL 22B
i23: JL 22A
i24: JL 66B
i25: JL 11A/JL 33K
i26: JL 4K/GL 2A+B/JL 44B/JL 88K
i27: GL 44A/GL WS B+K

Voldo

i13: K/FC 2A
i14: A/2A/6B
i15: 2K/3K/FC 2K
i16: B/4K/B+K/66B
i17: 6A/3A/2B/FC 2B/A+G_B+G
i18: FC 3B/WS K
i19: A+B/4B/1K/WS A
i20: 4A/6K/WS B/66K
i21: 3B/aB/22A/44A/66A+B
i23: 66A/11K
i24: 11B
i25: 1B/44B
i26: 1A/4A+B

Xianghua

i11: A
i13: K/FC 2A
i14: 6K/6B/2A
i15: B/3K/6A/2K/4K/FC 2K/33K/66B+K
i16: WS K/2B/FC 2B
i17: 9K/6B+K/66A/66K/A+G_B+G
i18: 3B/FC 3B
i19: A+B/aK/11B/44K
i20: WS A/1B/25B
i21: 33B
i22: 4A/6A+B/3B+K/22A/22B
i23: 3A/1A/4B/66B
i24: 1K/4A+B/1B+K/bK
i25: WS A+B/33A/44A
i26: 11K
i27: 1A+B
i28: 2A+B
i29: B+K/1kA
i30: 44B

Yoshi

i11: A
i12: a:B+K
i13: K/FC 2A
i14: 2A/3K
i15: 3A/4A/6K/2K/FC 2K/6A+B/6A+K
i16: 1A/B/2B/FC 2B
i17: 6B/3B/WS A/WS B/FC 1K/33B/66K/A+G_B+G
i18: WS K/bA/44bB
i19: FC 3K/33K
i20: 1B
i21: 4K
i22: 2A+B/3B+K
i23: 3A+B/1B+K/66A/66B/66B+K
i24: 4B/22A/11B
i26: 22B/44bA
i28: 214A/22K
i29: 44A/66A+B
i30: 8A+K

Yun

i12: K
i13: FC 2A
i14: A/2A
i15: 4K/2K/FC 2K/WS B
i16: B/3K/FC 2B/33K
i17: 2B/6K/2K/WS K/11K/A+G_B+G
i18: 66K/44K
i19: 4B/3A/4B+K/33A
i20: 3B/6A/A+B/66A/22A
i21: 236K
i22: 6B/4A/WS A/6A+B
i23: 1A/8K/44A
i24: 1B/A+K
i25: 66B/22B
i26: 33B
i27: 11A
i28: 11B/44B/66A+B
i29: 9B+K

Zas

i12: B+K
i13: K
i15: 2A/3K/2K/FC 2K/FC 2A
i16: B/2B/4B/6K/FC 2B/bK
i17: 1B/1K/66K/A+G_B+G
i18: 3A/3B/6A+B/6B+K/6bK
i19: WS B/WS A
i20: 6A
i21: 4A/4K/66B
i22: 22A/44A/22B/44B/66A+B
i23: 6B/FC 3B/22K
i24: 2B+K/4B+K/66A
i25: 11K/44K/66B+K
i27: A+B/33B


Be sure to check the post with your characters frame data once in a while, because some things may change due to other people double-checking and getting different results as well as typos or just my tired ass not calculating it right at midnight.
Id also like to note, that stance moves and moves slower than i28~30 have not been included for most characters yet.

[Tiamat]

This is the official frame data thread, wanted Sacharja's frame data in first post for easy access.

[Love Angel PMS]

Originally posted by Tiamat
This is the official frame data thread, wanted Sacharja's frame data in first post for easy access.

That is a great idea.
This info has been precious in my training with Amy.

[Kolhell]

A LOT of your raph data is bad. i pointed it out in the other thread, but you apparently cba to double check it.

raphs correct data can be found here, and in raphs soul arena where shen and i have been working on it.

https://filebox.vt.edu/users/kolhell...ame%20data.xls

[Sacharja]

Cut me some slack, I needed a pause from testing and our French Frog isnt exactly on my priority list.
And now its bad? Last time you posted there were only minor differences on some moves.
But ah well, I trust you know what youre talking about, so Im gonna edit that FD in the 1st post with yours.

[Kolhell]

HAY! dont be sassing my frenchie >:(

and im just being pissant - you can ignore me.

[Kolhell]

ive gotten takis 2bA to trade at i8 o_O;; canceling a+bA also seems to be a little bit easier than 2bA when going for the really fast input (if youre using one of the shoulder buttons for A+B anyways)

[Sacharja]

Yeah, there are 2 version of the move just like in the older games.
Normal input i9, fastest input i8.

[Kolhell]

i thought it just hit 8 frames after you hit A to cancel? theres no JF or anything for getting the whole 2bA in one frame.

[Sacharja]

Guess Namco just forget adding the JF "pling" to it.

[Kolhell]

Originally posted by Sacharja
Guess Namco just forget adding the JF "pling" to it.

err... i meant that 2bA at i8 is (i think) the exact same move as 2bA at i9 apart from being a frame faster, so if it hits at i9 then it seems to me that youre just not inputting it quickly enough. i dont call raphs 22B an i22 thats i21 if youre quick, so i dont see why takis A cancel is listed as such.

[Sacharja]

Tested, confirmed, fixxed.

[Return Of Talon]

Is there info on the pluses an minuses on block as well?

i.e what is ast 6k on block and on hit?

[Tiamat]

look in the individual soul arenas for things like that

[Return Of Talon]

O.k what about frames to recovery then? is that something that can be worked out easy enough?

[Kolhell]

Originally posted by Return Of Talon
O.k what about frames to recovery then? is that something that can be worked out easy enough?

frames til recovery arent particularly useful, and theyd be more than a little difficult to figure out. instead, we post +/- frames on NH, CH, and GD because thats the relevant information.

frames til recovery would help for punishing whiffs i suppose, but itd require impeccable timing to use the data.

[Twisted_Jester]

So now we're having mitsu i14 kick and i15 A. This is getting slightly out of control, buddies. To put it very diplomatically.

I suggest you stop pumping out half-assed data until... well just stop.

[johNNy blaZe]

LOL, Tharon is back

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by Twisted_Jester
So now we're having mitsu i14 kick and i15 A. This is getting slightly out of control, buddies. To put it very diplomatically.

I suggest you stop pumping out half-assed data until... well just stop.

I respect what you've done in the past, and your intention to do frame data for SC4 at some point.

However, mitsu's A and K ARE quite slow now. Nightmare's K is slower than the main cast now, and mitsu has just gotten the same treatment. Mitsu's K is without a doubt slower than the average K speed now, whatever that may be.

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't call the data "half-assed" when we've been working on doing the best we can all this time.

[Rico]

Originally posted by Twisted_Jester
So now we're having mitsu i14 kick and i15 A. This is getting slightly out of control, buddies. To put it very diplomatically.

I suggest you stop pumping out half-assed data until... well just stop.

I'm guessing you're saying this because you think those are wrong. Go do what you do best and TEST them before you come on here and say such things.

As far as I know, those are the correct Mitsu numbers. Just because they seem off in comparison to how he used to be doesn't mean they're off. Mitsu's main pokes are slow now. Deal with it.

[Twisted_Jester]

You are right, of course. I'll test this asap.

[Kolhell]

cassys 4a is i20

[Davo87]

NM's WS B = i16 looks like i15. As it can punish Setsuka's 2A+B on b: -15.

2A+B
b: After 2A+B on guard, setsu FC 3B (i15) hits her before she can guard but setsu WS A (i16) does not.

[Kolhell]

Originally posted by Davo87
NM's WS B = i16 looks like i15. As it can punish Setsuka's 2A+B on b: -15.

according to T_Ms "standing guard comes out 1 frame early" rule that means that move is actually i14 *eyeroll*

edit: hah i phail basic subtraction

[Tiamat]

NM's WS [b] is i16. end of story